Macro Lens

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  • #12817
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    wbaxter
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    What is the difference between a 100mm Prime lens and a 100mm Macro lens?

    #12820
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    ajroyle
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    They are both prime lenses but the design of a macro lens allows and optimises it’s use for close focusing. Macro is usually taken to mean that it is capable of focusing close enough such that the image produced is life size on the film or sensor. This tends to be the limit on a ” carry about” set up.

     

    There are other ways of “getting close” but the Macro lens is the best solution for general photography because your 100mm macro will also focus on infinity too, so in practical terms it is just the same as your ordinary 100mm. Splitting hairs the macro will have been designed for a flatter field so may not be quite as good a distance performer but you would probably not notice in normal circumstances.

     

    For full frame 100mm is a nice lens to work with because it gives a fairly good “reach” and also narrows the angle to keep out extraneous detail and blows out your background well.

     

    You can use a longer lens, with extension tubes or close-up lenses, giving an even greater working distance. Canon used to make a 180mm macro- may still do, but that is getting a bit on the speed is list side, so is their 65mm which focuses down to 5 times life size.

     

    So the answer is your two lenses are really the same except for the working distances they are designed for.

     

    I have  100mm Canon L macro which I intend to sell sometime.

    • This reply was modified 11 months, 2 weeks ago by Profile photo of John Royle ajroyle.
    #12827
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    Ian McNab
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    Not much to add to John’s comprehensive reply, except to say that a macro lens of a similar quality and design to a prime of the same focal length will typically be more expensive, because its ability to focus so close requires a more complex design. For the same reason, it’s likely to be more bulky. It may, however, have better image quality in some respects, and not just when taking macro photographs.

     

     

    #12834
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    ajroyle
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    Yes, that also makes them bulkier and heavier. The cheaper 100mm Canon f2.8 macro is not too expensive though and it has excellent resolving power. The “standard” 100mm is f2 and costs £345, the macro is f2.8 and costs £365. The sales for the macro are probably a lot higher and help to keep the price low, The “L” version, which is weather-sealed and has a little image stabilisation is £639. The respective weights and lengths are 74mm and 460g, 119mm and 600g and 123mm and 625g. Tamron and Sigma also make macros to fit the Canon. They both have very good reputations and are 90mm and 105mm respectively.

    In checking the above figures I see Canon still list the 180mm.

    #12837
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    wbaxter
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    Thank you both so much very helpful indeed. Have now looked at WEX site and see that Fuji do an X fit 60mm 2.4 R Macro lens. The weight of the Canon is some 650 gms approx and the Fuji is 230gms, both prices are not far apart.

    Has anyone tried the Fuji Macro lens?

    Johns SH Canon may be a good way to get started. Will discuss with you Thursday evening.

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    #12841
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    Ian McNab
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    Wallace >>> As an alternative to the Fujinon 60mm XF f2.4 R Macro X-Mount Lens at £549.99,  there’s a Carl Zeiss 50mm f2.8 Macro Touit Lens for Fuji X mount at £629.99

    (CameraPriceBuster is my ‘go-to’ site for identifying the cheapest reliable UK suppliers.)

     

     

    #12842
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    wbaxter
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    Thank you Ian

    #12843
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    ajroyle
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    I have both the 60mm Fuji and the 100mm Canon.

    The 60 is only 0.5:1 and not as good image quality as the 100, which is one of the best resolving lenses in the Canon range. It is not weatherproof and some find it odd the handle (very large lens hood).

    If you want a true macro lens for your Fuji (i.e. one offering 1:1 magnification) then they are promising one for next year. It will be (probably) a 90mm

    60mm on the Fuji = 90 on your D1x but these equivalences are in angle of view only. 60mm is 60mm no matter what you stick it on and the perspective is not the same as a 90 on full frame. It is fine if you want a wider view type of shot.

    Yes the Touit is a nice lens, better iq than the Fuji but it is long (physically) though light (the lens elements are minute!). I nearly swapped my 60 for one.

    We could do with an item on this at a meeting because other people, Paul for example, do macro work and we could pool ideas.

    We had a member at one time (Bob Bradshaw) who took a lot of good macro with a 100-400 or one of the tele zooms and a close-up lens. The Canon close-up lenses are not to be confused with the dirt cheap “close-up filters” as they are erroneously called. They are quality doublet lenses which screw into the filter thread at the front of the lens. They are about £100. There is nothing to beat a proper macro but close-up lenses and extension tubes have the advantage of being cheap and light, though the effect they have on focussing is unpredictable, so you need all the data before purchasing. Bob Bradshaw hit on a good working distance with his set up – he photographed damselflies and dragonflies.

    I would be happy to bring my 60 along for you to look at if you wish.

    BTW there are cashbacks on Fuji until the end of January.

    We must have confused you completely by now!

    #12877
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    wbaxter
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    I am glad I asked the question, as with most things in photography the reality is never as simple as the glossy brochures or magazines would have one believe.

    This has given me food for thought, and I shall not be rushing to buy a lens this month. It would be a good idea to discuss Macro photography at an open night there are probably some other members who could benefit from this knowledge.

    No need to bring your lens on Thursday John

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    #12885
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    Paul Hill
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    Hi Wallace as John mentioned above Fuji are planning to release a dedicated true macro (1:1) next year and I believe it’s going to be 80mm (c. 120mm equivalent FF) with f2.8 max aperture. I’m definitely interested in swapping my Sigma 150mm f2.8 macro that I currently use on my FF Nikon. The quality of the Sigma is stunning but I find the DOF too shallow on my FF body. I much preferred using a Tamron 90mm on a crop sensor so I’m hopeful the 80mm Fuji on an XT2 ;0) will be perfect. I’m happy to discuss macro photography on an open evening but currently have little spare time to prepare a presentation.

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    #12889
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    wbaxter
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    Would a Q&A session on Macro photography be sufficient for an open evening. Would probably take only 10 mins or so.

    #13197
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    ajroyle
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    I think we would want to go through the different ways of achieving close focus and then compare notes on technique, lighting etc and do a little on focus stacking. Together with examples that would need up to half an evening I would think.

    #13198
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    wbaxter
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    That sounds a good approach John, which open evening would you plan to have it on?

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