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  • #804
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    ajroyle
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    The results of this competition are now on the RESULTS page.

     

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    #1011
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    Well that was a very interesting judge, I could not believe some of that marking. We see Somme very ordinary photos get good marks ands some very well taken and purpose taken photos get very mediocre marks and then there was a couple of very well taken good photos that got very bad marks.

    I felt there was no consistency in the marking and a little rushed at one point, he said my image “Race Against Time” the total meant nothing and yet went on to say how good it shows the race against the time of the old and new bikes ?? Sorry but that was a little of a contradiction in it self.

    Also Meg had a really nice photo of the Snow Princess sharp and clear with lots of interest yet it scored lowest and Dolores Joker wow bright clear and full of life, compared to the lady in the dark vail very confused ?

    This is not just my thoughts but I may be the only person to actually speak up, sorry but I came home feeling lost for words..

    #1013
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    ajroyle
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    Tony did have some good advice so I hope that people will think about reprocessing some of the images.

    I was pleased that there was so much good material from our newer members and that most of it was appreciated. The “juniors” did well when you think that they were not identified in any way. I have been really impressed with the entries by both Lauren and Laura and I’m sure the judge would have had a lot of praise for the originality and boldness of their work had he known that it was the work of new younger members.

    As I’ve said elsewhere you can learn to polish up a picture but the artistic bit – getting the inspiration or being able to interpret a scene or make us see something the way you see it – well a lot of that is sheer talent.

     

    #1024
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    I have to say I agree with the first paragraph of Paul’s. This is the problem with Judging on the night for me – there was so much time spent trying to depict what was going on with the image that we did not really get great feedback, and the marks were therefore very inconsistent.

    The top 5 images rule should be interesting now due to the many 20’s dished out last night. I note that one member already has two 20’s and i think a 19 too towards their score for the league. If the judge had taken some time to review the images and make some notes prior to commenting on them on the night, perhaps he could have spread the scores out some more (?).

    I am pleased that new members did well. I think that the judge could have appreciated that people may not be long standing members of the club more and could have reserved his comment ‘This is the worst entry of the night’ for his own head. This was unnecessary and totally not constructive criticism.

    It is one thing to know how to take good photographs that are widely accepted by multiple exhibitions (500+ acceptances is remarkable, as is FRPS) but another to provide a good evening of judging with constructive views and tips for how to improve pictures.

    I know we all moan and groan at judges from time to time and they cannot please everyone but I felt like there was very little preparation for the evening on the Judge’s part, as did quite a few others i spoke to.

    #1035
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    Quite agree with what has been said, not just because of my Snow Princess either. Judging on the night can be hapazardous at times even with the best of inetentions in the world. Yes ok we are in the adult world and should be able to take the comments on the chin, but like Steven says, newer members could be gutted with harsh criticisms and I think somethimes judges forget this, that diplomacy goes a long way (as people will know me:shot fists ask questions later) Also seeing far better photographers get lower marks and unflatering comments are really harsh and can be counterproductive. Once things are out of your mouth you can’t take them back.

    I am really pleased to see such creative images coming through and hope more off them will be entered into competitions, because that way it will provoke comment and add agreat deal of colour to the clubs repetoire and prestigue. Any way moan over for now. Next please!!!

    #1041
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    D. Williams
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    I totally agree with all of the above.  The marking was inconsistent. Comments were contradictory and the judge seemed very unprepared and unappreciative of images which many of us would regard as deserving of considerable respect. The  dismissive phrase “nothing special” was used rather to often when an image was actually just not to the judges taste.  The worst image of the night comment was appalling, totally undeserved and unnecessary.

    I did view his website gallery before choosing my entries and was prepared for 2 out of 3 of my images to bomb with this Judge. I hoped to be proved wrong but chose the images that I wanted to see large so I could evaluate them myself and also so other club members could see something a little different of mine.  But as he said  while judging one …”I don’t do portraits” and the only ones to get any attention were very simple male head shots, I have only myself to blame.  But I wouldn’t change my entries. So no surprises and I got what I expected.  My aim is long term learning, improvement and style development.  Points are less important to me this early in the season.  Hopefully there is method in my madness.

    However, for all our sakes after the preparation we put in. I would have hoped a professional judge to not be quite so biased towards his own personal taste and style.  This of course has to come in to it but after viewing his site, last night completely confirmed my worst fears  and I was disappointed for several members.

    As Steven has pointed out I can see that the large number of high marks given out have made an interesting start to the season.  There probably should only have been one each of  20, 19, 18 representing first, second and third and the rest scored up to 17.

    This was my first experience of being judged and I desperately wanted to learn and needed to respect the opinion of the judge because that lends weight to the mark for me personally.  Despite getting a respectable 18 for one image, as the evening wore on this became more and more difficult.

    I think the keys to our negative response to the comp are the lack of preparation by the Judge and an extreme bias towards his own style of image.

    Ah well, it’s water under the bridge now and hopefully the next time will be better.

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    #1057
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    ex-member
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    Can I just ask what does DPAGB BPF3 mean in the Ken Dickenson picture on page home page.

    #1058
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    Ian McNab
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    DPAGB = Distinction, Photographic Alliance of Great Britain (see http://www.pagb-photography-uk.co.uk/merit.htm )

    BPE3* = a British Photographic Exhibitions award (see http://www.b-p-e.org.uk/index.php/awards )

     

    #1062
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    WOW so is this what i am up against in our club competitions… that’s scary i am sure that if normal everyday folk like me see this it would scare me off trying.. As it is i am all ready trying before i knew…

    #1064
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    meg cumming
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    Paul we all start some where. I’m sure that even he has bad hair days as well. Just keep up the good work and one day it’ll be us with those after our names.

    #1065
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    I don’t think there’s any expectation that everyone will go in for these awards and exhibitions and distinctions.  Some people like that sort of thing and some don’t.  Myself, I can’t think of anything much worse!  But I can see why other folk enjoy it;  as Tony said, once you start it gets addictive.

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    #1068
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    Oh I am addicted to photography but

    #1118
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    I am on a health scare at the moment  and laying off most things. But having a quiet few moments reading these posts  I would say how I agree, and Steven Pepper has put it all so well. We club    members spend   big money–on equipment  –not me  – but many on travel -and time preparing their entries–for a judge not to have the basic courtesy to study in advance  the entries. I do not care if awarded 6  or minus 10   but do expect “judges” to be accurate  and fair   and award points on balanced judgment. I had declared  that I had to leave early last Thursday, but in the timeless first half   I was shaking my head so much  -at half time  or was it three quarter time   I left  –much as I wanted to see the wonderful NATURE section–but knew if I stayed   my head would fall off.    Is it correct  that a statement was made  ”  THIS IS THE WORST IMAGE TONIGHT”–if that is then CPS should give the image creator  this Thursday a public apology.  My A380  was said to be  a RECORD  of STATIC  PLANE.  It was in fact  at 200mph  just lifting its wheels off-filling the veiwfinder WITHOUT chopping off nose of tail—NOTHING FOR SKILL THEN.  He commented on   “TITLES”   My title  A380 ROTATES in aeronautical terms  is  the  point of take off  –so it should have been clear had he bothered to study the image that it was not static.  Someones FORTHE BRIDGE  must be spitting feathers–14 points. Must go–nurse is coming ( nice for a portrait session.)

    #1125
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    D. Williams
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    Very sorry to hear that you are poorly Ken. Now you just leave that poor nurse alone!!! 😉

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