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  • #975
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    ajroyle
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    It would be fine if we could have some very objective way of marking but it isn’t possible. Some judges do apply some objectivity in allowing so many marks for this and so many marks for that. For example Andrew Brochwicz-Lewinski does this. He judged earlier in the year (you may have been there). But of course the judgement of each fraction of the mark is itself subjective. The system can fall down when you come across an image which defies the system.

    20 years ago marks didn’t vary as much as today – it is probably because some areas, such as colour printing, were an achievement to get right anyway – despite content and so the marks were more for technical things and so rather less variable judge to judge. (an old man told me that!)

    #958
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    ajroyle
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    You can trim your 20×16 down. I’m afraid that 20×16 will get disqualified at L&CPU.

    There are a few comments of mine in one of the news items  viz….

    It will also be hand-in time for the first print competition. Firstly I might point out that we have a small slip in the rules. Last year we said that (in line with L&CPU rules as usual) we would ONLY accept 40x50cm (except from newcomers). That has not been carried over into the new rules. This is only an oversight but it does mean that we will have to accept smaller prints HOWEVER do remember that SUCH PRINTS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTABLE FOR L&CPU ENTRY.

    NEWCOMERS please be clear – 40x50cm is the biggest MOUNT SIZE. A small print can look good mounted this size. However, to help you get started we will accept any size mount UP TO 40x50cm.

    You can buy ready cut mounts from Cotswold Mounts (see links) and Bailey Arts on the Dagfields Craft Centre. Alexander’s, also at Dagfields are very good for mount board – I buy mine there. Remember that light coloured mounts are regarded as THE ones to go for – Off White, light creams, that sort of thing. Jet black is a no,no and the habit of choosing a colour to “bring out” the colours in the print is hardly done these days. Having said all that prints are harder to get into and maybe the new members will wait a while and get a bit more help before entering – but never let it be said that we didn’t encourage you.

    In Resources you will find articles by Simon Cotter and by me. I must say I have changed my methods somewhat since the article was published.

    Unfortunately we don’t have club time to spend on mounting before the first lot of prints have to be in, but remember that now your BEST 5 marks count so you can still enter Comps 2 and 3 and win the League!

    LABELLING – Nothing on the front please. Write on the back  NUMBER of ENTRY (1, 2,3), TITLE, SECTION (MONOCHROME or COLOUR (NATURE), COLOUR (GENERAL) ) and your MEMBERSHIP NUMBER (NOT name).

    Please read the RULES on the Resources page.

     

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    #931
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    ajroyle
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    (I think) 20mm f1.7 on a Panasonic GF1 from the towpath of the Pontcysyllte Aqueduct. “Celestial Boatman”?

    #929
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    ajroyle
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    Adi (Eddy) Sethna’s article is well known to recently qualified judges since it is used at the L&CPU Judging Seminar.

    Adi was a psychiatrist and so had a methodical approach to the process which really takes you somewhere (in what can be a very vague subject) and his writing has certainly been a big influence on my approach to judging.

    In Brian’s article he is expressing concern at the narrow approach some judges exhibited to the work. This doesn’t always mean a descent into technical nit-picking. His judges were failing to bring an open mind (not even necessarily an informed mind) to judging the pictures.

    But what do we really ask of our judges? I heard one national (and well respected) judge say that she could sit all day and mark pictures but couldn’t do what the club judge does – stand up and talk about the picture to an audience. In the end this is what we want, people who can explain why a picture works in a convincing and compelling way. Think about the judges we have – they usually get invited back because they can do this. The marking we know is a questionable thing anyway – very subjective.

    BTW do you know that many clubs do not ask for a mark out of 20? Many only ask for things like 1,2,3, Highly Commended and Commended. The rest (and that could be, say, 60 pictures in our case) only get a comment – no mark. Should we be doing that?

     

    #877
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    ajroyle
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    That commentary should really be added to Brian’s article, it elucidates the issue beautifully.

    I worry that club photography does get obcessed sometimes with the pursuit of perfection of the image in a technical sense. I liken it to woodwork where the perfect execution of the joints overrules the overall look, aesthetics and  utility of the piece of furniture.

    Many of my favourite photographs I fear might not do well in a typical club competition.

    Is this encapsulated in the difference between the RPS and PAGB distinctions? In the former your work is viewed as a panel – and that panel can have a very broad means of expression (even mixed media) – in the latter your images are judged individually using more or less “club” criteria.

    In defense of club photography, it does teach you how to give your work more impact and deliver its message more clearly and make it more “attractive” (even beautiful). It is also a community where we help each other achieve. But let’s not take a narrow view of the work. 

     

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    #830
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    ajroyle
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    Thanks Ken, It gave us a different view of the Olympics didn’t it. Let’s hope it also encourages members to have a go at presenting. Well done Sharon.

    #829
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    ajroyle
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    Hi Ken,

    Since the file size is restricted to 512K it is unlikely you could upload a 7×5 image.

    Perhaps you could email it to me and I’ll pass it on to Delores.

     

    Thanks for the thought, Ken and thanks for posting.

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    #773
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    ajroyle
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    Lovely little camera but the fixed lens is something which immediately deterred me from buying – having said that I later bought a GF1 Panasonic and find that the 20mm lens stays on most of the time. David Beckham has one, good enough reason for anyone to buy I suppose(!)

    The Fujifilm Pro 1 (Monty Don has one of those) is more interesting to me, larger sensor and interchangeable lenses – when it was announced it seemed to be an important step forward. I might buy the Pro 2, which doesn’t exist yet but the Pro 1 has a few issues which are bound to get sorted. The new generation of small cameras with large sensors are beginning to be a real alternative to the weighty SLRs. Nice to have both and I nearly always grab the GF1 when we when I am off out but not on a dedicated shoot (which is most of the time!).

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